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Question

What is a normal CD4 count, CD4% and CD4:CD8 ratio?

Answer

After finding out you are HIV positive, your doctor will run several blood tests.

One will be for your immune system and will include your CD4 and CD8 count. Of these, the CD4 count is the most important main result but the CD4% and CD4:CD8 ratio are also sometimes useful.

This Q&A include information about these cels and about interpreting the test results.

CD4 cells are a type of blood cell that is part of your immune system. They are a type of white blood cell (lymphocyte). CD4 cells are sometimes called T-helper cells or T-cells

There are two main types of T-cells.

  1. CD4 cells, also called T4 cells, are “helper” cells. They lead the attack against infections.
  2. CD8 cells, (T8 cells), are “suppressor” cells that complete the immune response. CD8+ cells can also be “killer” cells that kill cancer cells and other cells that are infected by a virus.

CD4 and CD8 counts

The normal ranges for CD4 and CD8 counts vary depending on the lab and test. On average, the normal CD4 range for an HIV negative person is between 460 and 1600. This is an average. Anywhere in this range is good.

Although generally a higher CD4 is good, an HIV negative person with a normal CD4 count of 1200 is not more healthy than someone whose normal count is 400.

The exact CD4 count is not so important. CD4 counts can vary from day to day and even from hour to hour. So the general CD4 result is more important than the exact number.

A normal CD8 range is from 150 to 1000. This test is not used as much but the results come together. It is more important to know your CD4 count than your CD8 count.

CD4 percentage (CD4%)

If you get a CD4 count that is ever unexpectedly high or low, then your CD4% (CD4 percentage) can show whether this is a real change in immune function. The CD4% is a more stable marker than the absolute CD4 count.

The CD4 percentage refers to percentage of total lymphocytes that are CD4 cells. If your test reports CD4% = 34%, that means that 34% of your lymphocytes are CD4 cells.

The average normal CD4% for HIV negative adults is about 40%. However, as with CD4 counts and other test, the range for a “normal” result in an HIV negative person is also wide – from about 25% to 65%.

CD4:CD8 ratio

The CD4:CD8 ratio is also sometimes used, but less often. This is a measure of how balanced your immune function is. This calculated by dividing the CD4 result by the CD8 result.

In HIV negative people, the normal range for the CD4:CD8 ratio is between 0.9 and 1.9. This means that there are about 1 to 2 CD4 cells for every CD8 cell.

When not on HIV treatment, just like the CD4 count and CD4%, the CD4:8 ratio drops over time. Eventually, unless you start treatment, there will be more CD8 cells than CD4 cells (i.e. the ratio drops to less than 1.0).

The CD4:CD8 ratio might be better at predicting future risk in people whose CD4 count is high (above 500 cells/mm3). However, not all studies agree on this.

Other studies have shown that starting ART soon after HIV infection has a much higher chance of keeping the CD4:CD8 ratio higher than 1.0.

Note: this answer was last updated in January 2018 from a post that was originally published in December 2006.

332 comments

  1. Josh Peasegood

    Hi Darren, these are good results. Why are you doubtful about them? What have your previous results been?

  2. Darren

    17 years diagnosed. Raised immflamotary markers-same level past year. Feeling poorly, clamy, hot/cold. Recently had my 5th covid jag. Gp gave me a course of co-amoxilcav, and steroids, 4 days later hospital. All bloods came back normal! Chest x-ray normal. Here’s the part I don’t get even all these years later.

    Viral load: undetectable
    Cd4 count:1160
    Cd4%: 31

    These results mabey look good, but very doubtful, anybody any idea’s. I’m lossed for the 1st time .

  3. Josh Peasegood

    Hi Mark, oral sex carries a very low rate of transmission. This is because saliva contains antiviral properties that work to stop HIV surviving.

    Have you had a test since?

    Please follow this link for more information about testing and transmission: https://i-base.info/qa/factsheets/hiv-transmission-and-testing

  4. Mark

    Dear Josh Peasegood,

    In Feb. 2020 I had oral unprotected sex but without cumming!

    Mark

  5. Josh Peasegood

    Hi David, CD8 counts are not clinically used when treating HIV.

    Both of what you have said is correct. Not being on treatment means there will be a general and constant elevation of CD8 count due to a chronic HIV infection. As your CD4 count will fall significantly while not on medication and your CdD8 count remaining elevated, the ratio will fall below 1.

  6. David

    Without treatments, does CD8 absolute count & percentage remain rise due chronic infection?
    What about CD4/CD8 Ratio due HIV Chronic infection?, will be greater or less than one?

    Thank you!
    David

  7. Josh Peasegood

    Hi, the CD4 count is still in the range of someone who is HIV negative or on ART and HIV positive.

    If you remain concerned about HIV you will need to take a HIV test. A lymphocyte test can only provide clues about your status. It can not be used to confirm your status. Though your results and history do suggest that you are HIV negative.

  8. Dgc

    Can you tell me about these results in an HIV negative 4yo male?

    Lymphs flow cytometry-37%
    Lymphs absolute-3373
    CD3-69.8%
    CD4-31.7%
    CD8-32.5%
    CD3 absolute-2326
    CD4 absolute-1070
    CD8 absolut-1096
    CD4/CD8 ratio-1.0

  9. Josh Peasegood

    Hi Mark, have you had any other exposures since your last actual HIV test?

  10. Mark

    Dear Josh Peasegood,

    I want to do HIV test but I am so afraid, so that’s why I made Lymphocyte Marker test.

    Mark.

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